Hotaru joins robin in studio. They play an interview with Dr. Jennifer Kandjii, Director of Equity, Diversity and Inclusion (Student Services) at SFU and Research Fellow at the Balsillie School of International Affairs who shares her perspectives on SAAM's 2025 theme Empowering Equitable Workspaces. In the time remaining, robin and Hotaru discuss some key points from the documentary Nevertheless, the SVSPO's keynote event for SAAM, screened Wednesday, January 22.